0321login:Penguin2021/03/30(火) 21:00:52.19ID:Um8LCSls>>314 この機会にとことん喧嘩したら良いんじゃないかな。 誰が本当の敵で、誰が味方かが浮き彫りになってきたようだし。 多少発言が過激でもそれは表現の自由だな。 0322login:Penguin2021/03/30(火) 21:13:17.60ID:Um8LCSls "People without voting rights repeatedly tried to lobby or push for a certain agenda on this list. I'm tired of that and I think we'll all be happier when this GR is over. "
"I know many of us are unhappy with the GR entirely and will be much happier when it is over because we are tired that this is pushed into Debian in such a way."
有力なコミュニティはどこも企業の紐付き 0331login:Penguin2021/03/31(水) 12:07:50.49ID:cOmMsvQw 紐付きというか、「社外活動の場」だろ。 0332login:Penguin2021/03/31(水) 15:57:27.08ID:0KtxsmNn Cancel activists are not just attacking FSF or Richard Stallman. They attack Debian and every one of us. They are trying to hijack our priorities. They want those of us who are not in favour of cancelling Richard Stallman to resign in shame so they could take over Debian and gain power to expel everybody for dubious reasons.
Ideologically possessed cancel activists are threatening integrity and the future of Debian.
Ironically, there might be a point in time when integrity of Debian or even its survival might depend on our willingness to expel cancellation activists before they jeopardise the integrity of the project and replace its priorities with their political agenda and misguided anti free speech "morality".
lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2021/03/msg00214.html 0333login:Penguin2021/03/31(水) 16:04:22.64ID:0KtxsmNn I'm asking both of you, and everyone else for that matter, to keep this off of debian-devel. We're freezing for release, this is debian-devel, not twitter, if you have disagreements to figure out, please do it elsewhere.
No one is interested in playing police right now or baby-sitting this list, so whenever you reply to a message to this list, reply in a way that you would to your co-workers or family members, or don't reply at all. If you can't do that, then simply don't post at all.
ニコニコに「Revolution OS (字幕入り) その8」まであるね。 「revolution os」のタイトルでYouTubeにフルバージョンがあった。 0338login:Penguin2021/03/31(水) 18:14:53.68ID:0KtxsmNn>>336 それは「正義」じゃなくて「キャンセルカルチャー」という活動だよ。 0339login:Penguin2021/03/31(水) 18:38:01.33ID:YYmAAcQV>>337 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eluzi70O-P4 これかな? ちょっと前に、ニコニコと同じヤツのフルバージョンあったんだよな コメも面白いからニコニコのでもイイけど… 0340login:Penguin2021/03/31(水) 19:25:55.54ID:0KtxsmNn>>339 ニコニコのに面白いコメント付いてるのかな? 探しても付いてないみたいなんだけど 0341login:Penguin2021/03/31(水) 19:47:17.99ID:0KtxsmNn linuxreviews.org/Grass-roots_Richard_Stallman_Support-Letter_Has_Reached_3600%2B_Signers reveal that the vicious letter is written by:
1220 Neil McGovern 251 Joan Touzet 66 Elana Hashman 59 Molly de Blanc 36 Shauna 16 Devin Halladay 14 Nader Jafari 12 Juke 11 Stefano Zacchiroli
例の声明文(告発状)は ↑ 彼等によって作成されたらしい。 Neil McGovern はデビアン開発者だけど、個人の資格で勝手に署名してる。 そして今、McGovern は同じ声明を出すようデビアンに説得してるところだよ。 0342login:Penguin2021/03/31(水) 20:04:04.95ID:0KtxsmNn Neil McGovern (GNOME Foundation Executive Director, Former Debian Project Leader) Molly de Blanc (Debian Project, GNOME Foundation) Elana Hashman (Debian Technical Committee Member, Open Source Initiative Director, Kubernetes SIG Instrumentation Chair) Stefano Zacchiroli (Former Debian Project Leader and Former Director of the Open Source Initiative)
Our opponent’s true target is not Richard Stallman; their real aim is to destroy the FSF by thoroughly infiltrating it (like they already have with organisations like the OSI and Linux Foundation). These people even started an online petition calling for RMS’s forceful removal and for the entire board of directors at the FSF to resign from their posts. This is clearly an attempt at a coup to overthrow the FSF! Out of fear, many known Free Software projects joined in on the anti-RMS witch hunt because they did not want to be cancelled either. The list that attacks Richard has Microsoft, Google, OSI, Linux Foundation, Gnome Foundation and Ethical Source people on it! These people oppose Free Software ideologically (even if some of them do produce free software sometimes, for reasons other than promoting freedom) and many of them have actively sought to destroy it for years! How dare these people claim to represent us!.
31 March 2021 libreboot.org/news/rms.html 0348login:Penguin2021/04/01(木) 06:58:46.94ID:Ax2ifFd0 >31 March 2021 hahaha、文書出すの1日早いよwww 0349login:Penguin2021/04/01(木) 08:02:50.32ID:FI0HOdeJ 言っちゃあなんだが、FSFはもはや影響力なんてほぼないのにここまで反発してるのはやっぱRMSっていうブランドがでかいのかな テクノロジー的には老害だけど、スマホとかクラウドの興隆でオープンじゃだめだフリーなんだっていうRMSの思想の価値は衰えてないどころか上がってるように思う 0350login:Penguin2021/04/01(木) 10:57:33.11ID:I2BFALRU MSなんかがテスターを解雇しまくって コミュニティにバグ取りぶん投げるという 昨今の謎の方向性に反感を抱いている連中が多いんだろ
The Developers acknowledge that people make mistakes but believe that where those people are in leadership positions, they must be held accountable for their mistakes. We believe that the most important part of making mistakes is learning from them and changing behaviour. We are most concerned that Richard and the board have not sufficiently acknowledged or learned from issues which have affected a large number of people and that Richard remains a significant influence on both the FSF board and the GNU project.
The Debian Project co-signs the statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board seen at rms-support-letter.github.io/. The text of this statement is given below.
これはストールマンを完全に擁護する勧告案。 意見がだいぶ割れてるがこの状況で投票に持ち込むんだろうか。 投票期限が来たので、投票方法でも議論が起きている。 0367login:Penguin2021/04/02(金) 19:00:17.43ID:bWN5y/7Y TEXT OF OPTION 5 ----------------
Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against Richard Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the members of the board of the Free Software Foundation.
As secretary, I do not intend to make the vote secret. Personally, I would like to see the vote secret.
I think the best way to make the vote secret is that the DPL makes a decision. We have a process that can deal with people not agreeing with that decision.
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 09:53:32 +0200 lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2021/04/msg00333.html 0378login:Penguin2021/04/12(月) 11:35:50.25ID:nf5pjzY0 どうしても秘密投票にしたい一派が存在してるな 投票期限まであと数日しか残ってないが、 どういう扱いをするのかが気になる 0379login:Penguin2021/04/12(月) 11:49:11.19ID:nf5pjzY0 ストールマン支持を表明すれば、キャンセル活動家に批判されるし ストール辞任勧告に賛成すれば、仲間を裏切ることになる。 しかし、秘密投票では投票プロセスの健全性が損なわれる。 判断に迷った開発者の多くは、棄権する可能性が高いと思うんだが。 0380login:Penguin2021/04/12(月) 20:39:24.08ID:nf5pjzY0 In Support of Richard Stallman
We dedicate this website to the community of people who wish to help clear the air around a sad and painful series of events. For those of you who have helped, and for those of you who are curious about the truth in this situation, and especially for those of you who believe wrongs can be made right through acknowledgement of harm and work to understand, we welcome you.
False accusations were made against Richard Stallman in September 2019. Although others pointed out the mistakes, the stage had been set for a cascade of defamatory reactions that followed and spread like wildfire. This was fueled by misquotes and distortion of events in mainstream headlines, blogs, and social media, leading ultimately to Stallman's resignation from his positions at MIT and the FSF.
ずれたんで直したよ 0388login:Penguin2021/04/13(火) 21:41:08.10ID:quEIfoRV The board of the Free Software Foundation (FSF) have issued a statement regarding the election of Richard Stallman:
すでに公的な立場で意見表明した開発者は複数人いるからな 本来なら、それは越権行為に当たると思うぞ 0412login:Penguin2021/04/19(月) 01:38:44.80ID:b6brF/TS Choice 7: Debian will not issue a public statement on this issue
The Debian Project will not issue a public statement on whether Richard Stallman should be removed from leadership positions or not.
Any individual (including Debian members) wishing to (co-)sign any of the open letters on this subject is invited to do this in a personal capacity.
実際の文書はこうなってる。 「何も公的な意見表明をしない」というのは個人でも同じこと。 in a personal capacityでのみ許されることになった。 0413login:Penguin2021/04/19(月) 02:12:58.28ID:HX4SLlXK RMSが志賀を擁護してくれることはないのによくやるよw 0414login:Penguin2021/04/19(月) 09:10:42.10ID:eOb5V0eT>>412 英語理解してないだろ 0415login:Penguin2021/04/19(月) 09:25:11.07ID:b6brF/TS>>414 この議論は踏み込んだ解釈が必要だな 表面的な理解ではだめだな。そのうちメーリングリストで再燃するかもしれんな
コンプライアンスに則るならそうならざるを得ないだろ? 0416login:Penguin2021/04/19(月) 10:19:03.36ID:pfQe0j4n そういうことをすると それ自体が声明の代わりになってしまうから駄目だろ 0417login:Penguin2021/04/19(月) 10:47:50.04ID:ZJQvXZxb>>415 中立を装ったお前の妄想はいらないので 0418login:Penguin2021/04/19(月) 11:30:28.10ID:b6brF/TS >>But in others, like >>the RMS GR, it seems like it would be a rather bad property and we'd >>be better off treating it as FD and trying again later. > >For info, we use cloneproof Schwartz sequential dropping to resolve >these ties. The simple version is that we work out the cycle, and then >drop the lowest margin, in this case the 1, so "Debian will not issue a >pubilc statement" would still win.
Since at that time option 1 is no longer in the Schwartz set, and so that defeat is no longer relevant.
出典 平凡社世界大百科事典 第2版 0421login:Penguin2021/04/19(月) 13:36:34.87ID:b6brF/TS > The winning option "Debian will not issue a public statement on this > issue" implies that the majority of DDs is not interested in such > non-technical affairs. Such a working group will distract us from > achieving technical excellence.
Most of the non DPL-electing GRs are at risk of tearing Debian Project apart. And IMO this is the least dangerous option. It's not because we are not interested in non-technical affairs.