やっぱりFSFはやっちまったな。 ストールスマン復帰させるとしても根回しと世論操作してからするべきだったんだ。 0228login:Penguin2021/03/28(日) 14:15:06.81ID:Gposz4j8 Richard M. Stallman, frequently known as RMS, has been a dangerous force in the free software community for a long time. He has shown himself to be misogynist, ableist, and transphobic, among other serious accusations of impropriety. These sorts of beliefs have no place in the free software, digital rights, and tech communities. With his recent reinstatement to the Board of Directors of the Free Software Foundation, we call for the entire Board of the FSF to step down and for RMS to be removed from all leadership positions.
An open letter to remove Richard M. Stallman from all leadership positions 2021-03-23 rms-open-letter.github.io 0229login:Penguin2021/03/28(日) 14:19:30.71ID:Gposz4j8 >228 の辞任を要求する声明文冒頭に、その理由が書いてあるよ。 メール事件の件とは関係なしに、ずっと以前から 本人をIT業界から排除したかったことが読み取れると思うな。 0230login:Penguin2021/03/28(日) 15:14:30.34ID:Gposz4j8 >227 根回しや世論操作なんて無理だと思うな
RMS として良く知られるリチャード M. ストールマンは長い間フリーソフトウェアコミュニティの危険な実力者であり続けてきました。彼は不当かつ深刻な嫌悪、とりわけ女性嫌悪主義、障害者差別主義、トランスジェンダー嫌悪主義を示してきました。フリーソフトウェア、ディジタル権、テックコミュニティの中にこのような信条の居場所はありません。フリーソフトウェア財団 (FSF) 理事会への彼の復帰に際して、我々は FSF 理事会全員の退任および RMS がすべての指導的地位から解かれることを求めます。
我々署名者一同は、ディジタル自治の必要性と基本的人権を保護する上でユーザの自由が果たす強力な役割を信じています。ソフトウェアの自由が可能にするすべての約束を実現するために、コミュニティ内に抜本的な変革が必要なのです。我々はすべてのテクノロジーが人々に抑圧でなく、力を与える現在と未来を支持します。これはテクノロジーがその最も基礎的な水準から、我々の権利を尊重して構築される世界でのみ可能なことです。リチャード M. ストールマンはこれらの理念を種々の形で広めましたが、我々のために語ったのではありませんでした。我々は彼の行動や言動を見過ごさないし、彼の指導や今日のフリーソフトウェア財団の指導を承認しません。
この手のいちゃもんは、それこそ膏薬なみにどこにでも 引っ付けられるぞ。 0285login:Penguin2021/03/29(月) 18:22:48.34ID:IEa1qCcJ 徳川がいちゃもんで豊臣滅ぼしたのと同じ 0286login:Penguin2021/03/29(月) 18:23:17.25ID:NMY3KnrU 大企業が市場を独占するか、GNUが寄付を独占するかの差だから大したことは無いよ。 0287login:Penguin2021/03/29(月) 18:27:56.63ID:l4eT1cVh>>286 いつGNUが寄付を独占したんだ?w 0288login:Penguin2021/03/29(月) 18:36:33.17ID:KOxcLTJJ>>286 別に労働力でのお支払でもイイのよ どうせ、自分の所で使いヤツなんだから… 0289login:Penguin2021/03/29(月) 19:29:54.74ID:ZBK1y67T The "RMS Open Letter" is based on lies, misrepresentations, and misinformation
Stallman asked women out in a way we consider creepy. The letter phrases this by saying Stallman has sexually harassed women for decades. The letter seeks to group him in the same category as gropers and actual rapists. In 1993, he defined pedophilia slightly differently. He made a genuine apology. This is the basis of the "pedo apologist." After condemning the rape of a 17 year old girl in the Epstein case, Marvin Minksy had sex with the girl, unaware the girl was being coerced by Epstein. In accordance with the law of Canada and most U.S. states, it is legal to have sex with a 16 year old girl. Nonetheless, we believe these leaked private discussions make him equivalent to a rapist.
The original open letter's Appendix has two true claims of sexual harassment: - In 1999, he had a mattress in his office which he slept on. This made some women avoid RMS because they considered it abnormal and creepy. - In 1985, he told a woman he'd kill himself if he didn't date her. The "hot ladies" nametag was fake; it was vandalized from a third party. 0290login:Penguin2021/03/29(月) 19:30:22.69ID:ZBK1y67T He has never been accused of groping or sexual assault. Stallman has hundreds of posts on his personal blog condemning rape, and they cherry-pick the one post where he argued for a different definition of rape.
The GNU Kind Communication Guidelines ask you to honor gender identity. The letter says it is "still transphobic" and accuses him of "thinly disguised transphobia," possibly because it includes calling someone via only gender-neutral pronouns such as "they."
I strongly urge everyone to avoid splintering the free software movement. I understand you do not want to be associated with racism, sexism, transphobia, and ableism. The accusers do indeed label anyone who don't agree with them as sexist and transphobic. This is how they did it in McCarthy era. Resist the urge to be performative and stick to principles.
lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2021/03/msg00175.html 0291login:Penguin2021/03/29(月) 19:40:49.64ID:JE1U75s2 ストールマンを助ける人は大勢いる ミスターライセンス違反の志賀を助ける人はなぜか5chにしかいないw 0292login:Penguin2021/03/29(月) 19:45:38.15ID:u12Hlpba それも、本人の自演の可能性が非常に高い擁護者しか居ない。 0293login:Penguin2021/03/29(月) 20:37:05.51ID:ZBK1y67T An official Debian statement is not about any particular individual but about Debian's interests and goals. We should strive on principles of equality, inclusion and enhance the sense of belonging of our every member while preserving Debian's reputation. This actually means that we have to carefully choose our words and hold ourselves to a higher standard at least when composing an official Debian statement. There is no space for emotional revenge punches in the name of Debian.
lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2021/03/msg00340.html 0294login:Penguin2021/03/29(月) 20:38:32.01ID:ZBK1y67T "rms-open-letter" choice 3: do not, as the project itself, sign any letter regarding rms
The Debian Project will not issue a public statement on whether Richard Stallman should be removed from leadership positions or not.
Any individual (including Debian members) wishing to (co-)sign any of the open letters on this subject is invited to do this in a personal capacity.
lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2021/03/msg00304.html 0295login:Penguin2021/03/29(月) 21:03:07.09ID:ZBK1y67T ↑ デビアンプロジェクト内の議論状況を拾ってきたよ 0296login:Penguin2021/03/29(月) 21:10:18.28ID:l4eT1cVh > - In 1985, he told a woman he'd kill himself if he didn't date her. かわいいじゃんw笑っちゃったぞw
つか、 > There is no space for emotional revenge punches in the name of Debian. この言葉に嘘がないことを願うばかりだな。 0297login:Penguin2021/03/29(月) 21:17:14.92ID:MUrsLWgK 志賀がRMSのために匿名で工作しても 志賀の復帰にはつながらないんだよなぁ 0298login:Penguin2021/03/29(月) 22:54:02.59ID:KOxcLTJJ>>297 あんたの頭のでは実名なんでしょ? どれがシガなんだか知らんけど…
また新しい記事が出たね。 この記事は一方的にストールマンを批判するばかり。 0307login:Penguin2021/03/30(火) 11:06:37.34ID:Um8LCSls As for RMS? He's been quiet. His only "comment" since his surprise announcement is that his personal site still states: "I continue to be the Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project. This is my long-term commitment and I plan to continue."
With internal dissent, harsh external criticism, and reduced financial resources, it's hard to see the FSF continuing in any kind of meaningful fashion so long as Stallman remains on the board or in any other leadership position.
De Icaza added: "RMS failed to grow as the movement grew. And has been an anchor dragging the project ever since. The ideas survived and flourished elsewhere. He is still a drag on every project under his direct influence."
しかし事件が起きる前までは「正義」で「英雄」扱いだったのにな。 0312login:Penguin2021/03/30(火) 13:22:48.60ID:Um8LCSls Big technology corporations with a vested interest in controlling "open source" software, and FOSS organizations they directly or indirectly fund, wrote a "open letter" viciously demonizing Richard Stallman after he announced that he will be returning to the Free Software Foundation's board in a live stream at the LibrePlanet 2021 virtual conference. Actual free software users wrote a competing open letter supporting Stallman in response. More than 3600 people have so far signed on to that letter, which is far more than the corporations and the 白左 bullies working for them have gathered.
短期的には多少の良い結果をもたらすことはあるかもしれないが、 期待できそう何かがあるのか? 0321login:Penguin2021/03/30(火) 21:00:52.19ID:Um8LCSls>>314 この機会にとことん喧嘩したら良いんじゃないかな。 誰が本当の敵で、誰が味方かが浮き彫りになってきたようだし。 多少発言が過激でもそれは表現の自由だな。 0322login:Penguin2021/03/30(火) 21:13:17.60ID:Um8LCSls "People without voting rights repeatedly tried to lobby or push for a certain agenda on this list. I'm tired of that and I think we'll all be happier when this GR is over. "
"I know many of us are unhappy with the GR entirely and will be much happier when it is over because we are tired that this is pushed into Debian in such a way."