mag.osdn.jp/21/03/27/160500 > Red Hatは、「FSFおよびFSFが主催するイベントへの出資をすぐさま停止する」とした。 > 独SUSEのCEO、Melissa Di Donato氏はツイートでFSFへの失望を表明するとともに、 > Stallman氏がリーダーポジションに就くことに反対する公開書簡に署名した。
And Richard Stallman is Back at Free Software Foundation news.itsfoss.com/richard-stallman-is-back-at-fsf/
このあたりの企業、団体は早々に立場を表明してるが やはりという失望感は否めないな 0212login:Penguin2021/03/28(日) 11:30:23.32ID:UeOd2Gyk >賛成派は商用Linuxを開発してる企業が多いね。 Redhatェ…… 0213login:Penguin2021/03/28(日) 11:43:53.07ID:0PBBGQK4>>210 Debianは今議論してる 0214login:Penguin2021/03/28(日) 11:48:13.44ID:0PBBGQK4 fsfに文句を言わないと自分たちも危ないというくらい ポリコレ同調圧力を感じる 0215login:Penguin2021/03/28(日) 11:55:19.14ID:Gposz4j8>>213 個人の開発者レベルでは立場を表明して署名した人がいる 0216login:Penguin2021/03/28(日) 11:56:10.86ID:Gposz4j8 I have an announcement to make. I am now on the Free Software Foundation board of directors once again. We were working on a video to announce this with but that turned out to be difficult. We didn’t have experience doing that sort of thing so it didn’t get finished but here’s the announcement. Some of you will be happy with this and some might be disappointed but who knows. In any case, that’s how it is. And I am not planning to resign a second time.
やっぱりFSFはやっちまったな。 ストールスマン復帰させるとしても根回しと世論操作してからするべきだったんだ。 0228login:Penguin2021/03/28(日) 14:15:06.81ID:Gposz4j8 Richard M. Stallman, frequently known as RMS, has been a dangerous force in the free software community for a long time. He has shown himself to be misogynist, ableist, and transphobic, among other serious accusations of impropriety. These sorts of beliefs have no place in the free software, digital rights, and tech communities. With his recent reinstatement to the Board of Directors of the Free Software Foundation, we call for the entire Board of the FSF to step down and for RMS to be removed from all leadership positions.
An open letter to remove Richard M. Stallman from all leadership positions 2021-03-23 rms-open-letter.github.io 0229login:Penguin2021/03/28(日) 14:19:30.71ID:Gposz4j8 >228 の辞任を要求する声明文冒頭に、その理由が書いてあるよ。 メール事件の件とは関係なしに、ずっと以前から 本人をIT業界から排除したかったことが読み取れると思うな。 0230login:Penguin2021/03/28(日) 15:14:30.34ID:Gposz4j8 >227 根回しや世論操作なんて無理だと思うな
RMS として良く知られるリチャード M. ストールマンは長い間フリーソフトウェアコミュニティの危険な実力者であり続けてきました。彼は不当かつ深刻な嫌悪、とりわけ女性嫌悪主義、障害者差別主義、トランスジェンダー嫌悪主義を示してきました。フリーソフトウェア、ディジタル権、テックコミュニティの中にこのような信条の居場所はありません。フリーソフトウェア財団 (FSF) 理事会への彼の復帰に際して、我々は FSF 理事会全員の退任および RMS がすべての指導的地位から解かれることを求めます。
我々署名者一同は、ディジタル自治の必要性と基本的人権を保護する上でユーザの自由が果たす強力な役割を信じています。ソフトウェアの自由が可能にするすべての約束を実現するために、コミュニティ内に抜本的な変革が必要なのです。我々はすべてのテクノロジーが人々に抑圧でなく、力を与える現在と未来を支持します。これはテクノロジーがその最も基礎的な水準から、我々の権利を尊重して構築される世界でのみ可能なことです。リチャード M. ストールマンはこれらの理念を種々の形で広めましたが、我々のために語ったのではありませんでした。我々は彼の行動や言動を見過ごさないし、彼の指導や今日のフリーソフトウェア財団の指導を承認しません。
この手のいちゃもんは、それこそ膏薬なみにどこにでも 引っ付けられるぞ。 0285login:Penguin2021/03/29(月) 18:22:48.34ID:IEa1qCcJ 徳川がいちゃもんで豊臣滅ぼしたのと同じ 0286login:Penguin2021/03/29(月) 18:23:17.25ID:NMY3KnrU 大企業が市場を独占するか、GNUが寄付を独占するかの差だから大したことは無いよ。 0287login:Penguin2021/03/29(月) 18:27:56.63ID:l4eT1cVh>>286 いつGNUが寄付を独占したんだ?w 0288login:Penguin2021/03/29(月) 18:36:33.17ID:KOxcLTJJ>>286 別に労働力でのお支払でもイイのよ どうせ、自分の所で使いヤツなんだから… 0289login:Penguin2021/03/29(月) 19:29:54.74ID:ZBK1y67T The "RMS Open Letter" is based on lies, misrepresentations, and misinformation
Stallman asked women out in a way we consider creepy. The letter phrases this by saying Stallman has sexually harassed women for decades. The letter seeks to group him in the same category as gropers and actual rapists. In 1993, he defined pedophilia slightly differently. He made a genuine apology. This is the basis of the "pedo apologist." After condemning the rape of a 17 year old girl in the Epstein case, Marvin Minksy had sex with the girl, unaware the girl was being coerced by Epstein. In accordance with the law of Canada and most U.S. states, it is legal to have sex with a 16 year old girl. Nonetheless, we believe these leaked private discussions make him equivalent to a rapist.
The original open letter's Appendix has two true claims of sexual harassment: - In 1999, he had a mattress in his office which he slept on. This made some women avoid RMS because they considered it abnormal and creepy. - In 1985, he told a woman he'd kill himself if he didn't date her. The "hot ladies" nametag was fake; it was vandalized from a third party. 0290login:Penguin2021/03/29(月) 19:30:22.69ID:ZBK1y67T He has never been accused of groping or sexual assault. Stallman has hundreds of posts on his personal blog condemning rape, and they cherry-pick the one post where he argued for a different definition of rape.
The GNU Kind Communication Guidelines ask you to honor gender identity. The letter says it is "still transphobic" and accuses him of "thinly disguised transphobia," possibly because it includes calling someone via only gender-neutral pronouns such as "they."
I strongly urge everyone to avoid splintering the free software movement. I understand you do not want to be associated with racism, sexism, transphobia, and ableism. The accusers do indeed label anyone who don't agree with them as sexist and transphobic. This is how they did it in McCarthy era. Resist the urge to be performative and stick to principles.
lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2021/03/msg00175.html 0291login:Penguin2021/03/29(月) 19:40:49.64ID:JE1U75s2 ストールマンを助ける人は大勢いる ミスターライセンス違反の志賀を助ける人はなぜか5chにしかいないw 0292login:Penguin2021/03/29(月) 19:45:38.15ID:u12Hlpba それも、本人の自演の可能性が非常に高い擁護者しか居ない。 0293login:Penguin2021/03/29(月) 20:37:05.51ID:ZBK1y67T An official Debian statement is not about any particular individual but about Debian's interests and goals. We should strive on principles of equality, inclusion and enhance the sense of belonging of our every member while preserving Debian's reputation. This actually means that we have to carefully choose our words and hold ourselves to a higher standard at least when composing an official Debian statement. There is no space for emotional revenge punches in the name of Debian.
lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2021/03/msg00340.html 0294login:Penguin2021/03/29(月) 20:38:32.01ID:ZBK1y67T "rms-open-letter" choice 3: do not, as the project itself, sign any letter regarding rms
The Debian Project will not issue a public statement on whether Richard Stallman should be removed from leadership positions or not.
Any individual (including Debian members) wishing to (co-)sign any of the open letters on this subject is invited to do this in a personal capacity.
lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2021/03/msg00304.html 0295login:Penguin2021/03/29(月) 21:03:07.09ID:ZBK1y67T ↑ デビアンプロジェクト内の議論状況を拾ってきたよ 0296login:Penguin2021/03/29(月) 21:10:18.28ID:l4eT1cVh > - In 1985, he told a woman he'd kill himself if he didn't date her. かわいいじゃんw笑っちゃったぞw
つか、 > There is no space for emotional revenge punches in the name of Debian. この言葉に嘘がないことを願うばかりだな。 0297login:Penguin2021/03/29(月) 21:17:14.92ID:MUrsLWgK 志賀がRMSのために匿名で工作しても 志賀の復帰にはつながらないんだよなぁ 0298login:Penguin2021/03/29(月) 22:54:02.59ID:KOxcLTJJ>>297 あんたの頭のでは実名なんでしょ? どれがシガなんだか知らんけど…
また新しい記事が出たね。 この記事は一方的にストールマンを批判するばかり。 0307login:Penguin2021/03/30(火) 11:06:37.34ID:Um8LCSls As for RMS? He's been quiet. His only "comment" since his surprise announcement is that his personal site still states: "I continue to be the Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project. This is my long-term commitment and I plan to continue."
With internal dissent, harsh external criticism, and reduced financial resources, it's hard to see the FSF continuing in any kind of meaningful fashion so long as Stallman remains on the board or in any other leadership position.
De Icaza added: "RMS failed to grow as the movement grew. And has been an anchor dragging the project ever since. The ideas survived and flourished elsewhere. He is still a drag on every project under his direct influence."
しかし事件が起きる前までは「正義」で「英雄」扱いだったのにな。 0312login:Penguin2021/03/30(火) 13:22:48.60ID:Um8LCSls Big technology corporations with a vested interest in controlling "open source" software, and FOSS organizations they directly or indirectly fund, wrote a "open letter" viciously demonizing Richard Stallman after he announced that he will be returning to the Free Software Foundation's board in a live stream at the LibrePlanet 2021 virtual conference. Actual free software users wrote a competing open letter supporting Stallman in response. More than 3600 people have so far signed on to that letter, which is far more than the corporations and the 白左 bullies working for them have gathered.
短期的には多少の良い結果をもたらすことはあるかもしれないが、 期待できそう何かがあるのか? 0321login:Penguin2021/03/30(火) 21:00:52.19ID:Um8LCSls>>314 この機会にとことん喧嘩したら良いんじゃないかな。 誰が本当の敵で、誰が味方かが浮き彫りになってきたようだし。 多少発言が過激でもそれは表現の自由だな。 0322login:Penguin2021/03/30(火) 21:13:17.60ID:Um8LCSls "People without voting rights repeatedly tried to lobby or push for a certain agenda on this list. I'm tired of that and I think we'll all be happier when this GR is over. "
"I know many of us are unhappy with the GR entirely and will be much happier when it is over because we are tired that this is pushed into Debian in such a way."
有力なコミュニティはどこも企業の紐付き 0331login:Penguin2021/03/31(水) 12:07:50.49ID:cOmMsvQw 紐付きというか、「社外活動の場」だろ。 0332login:Penguin2021/03/31(水) 15:57:27.08ID:0KtxsmNn Cancel activists are not just attacking FSF or Richard Stallman. They attack Debian and every one of us. They are trying to hijack our priorities. They want those of us who are not in favour of cancelling Richard Stallman to resign in shame so they could take over Debian and gain power to expel everybody for dubious reasons.
Ideologically possessed cancel activists are threatening integrity and the future of Debian.
Ironically, there might be a point in time when integrity of Debian or even its survival might depend on our willingness to expel cancellation activists before they jeopardise the integrity of the project and replace its priorities with their political agenda and misguided anti free speech "morality".
lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2021/03/msg00214.html 0333login:Penguin2021/03/31(水) 16:04:22.64ID:0KtxsmNn I'm asking both of you, and everyone else for that matter, to keep this off of debian-devel. We're freezing for release, this is debian-devel, not twitter, if you have disagreements to figure out, please do it elsewhere.
No one is interested in playing police right now or baby-sitting this list, so whenever you reply to a message to this list, reply in a way that you would to your co-workers or family members, or don't reply at all. If you can't do that, then simply don't post at all.
ニコニコに「Revolution OS (字幕入り) その8」まであるね。 「revolution os」のタイトルでYouTubeにフルバージョンがあった。 0338login:Penguin2021/03/31(水) 18:14:53.68ID:0KtxsmNn>>336 それは「正義」じゃなくて「キャンセルカルチャー」という活動だよ。 0339login:Penguin2021/03/31(水) 18:38:01.33ID:YYmAAcQV>>337 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eluzi70O-P4 これかな? ちょっと前に、ニコニコと同じヤツのフルバージョンあったんだよな コメも面白いからニコニコのでもイイけど… 0340login:Penguin2021/03/31(水) 19:25:55.54ID:0KtxsmNn>>339 ニコニコのに面白いコメント付いてるのかな? 探しても付いてないみたいなんだけど 0341login:Penguin2021/03/31(水) 19:47:17.99ID:0KtxsmNn linuxreviews.org/Grass-roots_Richard_Stallman_Support-Letter_Has_Reached_3600%2B_Signers reveal that the vicious letter is written by:
1220 Neil McGovern 251 Joan Touzet 66 Elana Hashman 59 Molly de Blanc 36 Shauna 16 Devin Halladay 14 Nader Jafari 12 Juke 11 Stefano Zacchiroli
例の声明文(告発状)は ↑ 彼等によって作成されたらしい。 Neil McGovern はデビアン開発者だけど、個人の資格で勝手に署名してる。 そして今、McGovern は同じ声明を出すようデビアンに説得してるところだよ。 0342login:Penguin2021/03/31(水) 20:04:04.95ID:0KtxsmNn Neil McGovern (GNOME Foundation Executive Director, Former Debian Project Leader) Molly de Blanc (Debian Project, GNOME Foundation) Elana Hashman (Debian Technical Committee Member, Open Source Initiative Director, Kubernetes SIG Instrumentation Chair) Stefano Zacchiroli (Former Debian Project Leader and Former Director of the Open Source Initiative)
Our opponent’s true target is not Richard Stallman; their real aim is to destroy the FSF by thoroughly infiltrating it (like they already have with organisations like the OSI and Linux Foundation). These people even started an online petition calling for RMS’s forceful removal and for the entire board of directors at the FSF to resign from their posts. This is clearly an attempt at a coup to overthrow the FSF! Out of fear, many known Free Software projects joined in on the anti-RMS witch hunt because they did not want to be cancelled either. The list that attacks Richard has Microsoft, Google, OSI, Linux Foundation, Gnome Foundation and Ethical Source people on it! These people oppose Free Software ideologically (even if some of them do produce free software sometimes, for reasons other than promoting freedom) and many of them have actively sought to destroy it for years! How dare these people claim to represent us!.
31 March 2021 libreboot.org/news/rms.html 0348login:Penguin2021/04/01(木) 06:58:46.94ID:Ax2ifFd0 >31 March 2021 hahaha、文書出すの1日早いよwww 0349login:Penguin2021/04/01(木) 08:02:50.32ID:FI0HOdeJ 言っちゃあなんだが、FSFはもはや影響力なんてほぼないのにここまで反発してるのはやっぱRMSっていうブランドがでかいのかな テクノロジー的には老害だけど、スマホとかクラウドの興隆でオープンじゃだめだフリーなんだっていうRMSの思想の価値は衰えてないどころか上がってるように思う 0350login:Penguin2021/04/01(木) 10:57:33.11ID:I2BFALRU MSなんかがテスターを解雇しまくって コミュニティにバグ取りぶん投げるという 昨今の謎の方向性に反感を抱いている連中が多いんだろ
The Developers acknowledge that people make mistakes but believe that where those people are in leadership positions, they must be held accountable for their mistakes. We believe that the most important part of making mistakes is learning from them and changing behaviour. We are most concerned that Richard and the board have not sufficiently acknowledged or learned from issues which have affected a large number of people and that Richard remains a significant influence on both the FSF board and the GNU project.
The Debian Project co-signs the statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board seen at rms-support-letter.github.io/. The text of this statement is given below.
これはストールマンを完全に擁護する勧告案。 意見がだいぶ割れてるがこの状況で投票に持ち込むんだろうか。 投票期限が来たので、投票方法でも議論が起きている。 0367login:Penguin2021/04/02(金) 19:00:17.43ID:bWN5y/7Y TEXT OF OPTION 5 ----------------
Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against Richard Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the members of the board of the Free Software Foundation.
As secretary, I do not intend to make the vote secret. Personally, I would like to see the vote secret.
I think the best way to make the vote secret is that the DPL makes a decision. We have a process that can deal with people not agreeing with that decision.
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 09:53:32 +0200 lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2021/04/msg00333.html 0378login:Penguin2021/04/12(月) 11:35:50.25ID:nf5pjzY0 どうしても秘密投票にしたい一派が存在してるな 投票期限まであと数日しか残ってないが、 どういう扱いをするのかが気になる 0379login:Penguin2021/04/12(月) 11:49:11.19ID:nf5pjzY0 ストールマン支持を表明すれば、キャンセル活動家に批判されるし ストール辞任勧告に賛成すれば、仲間を裏切ることになる。 しかし、秘密投票では投票プロセスの健全性が損なわれる。 判断に迷った開発者の多くは、棄権する可能性が高いと思うんだが。 0380login:Penguin2021/04/12(月) 20:39:24.08ID:nf5pjzY0 In Support of Richard Stallman
We dedicate this website to the community of people who wish to help clear the air around a sad and painful series of events. For those of you who have helped, and for those of you who are curious about the truth in this situation, and especially for those of you who believe wrongs can be made right through acknowledgement of harm and work to understand, we welcome you.
False accusations were made against Richard Stallman in September 2019. Although others pointed out the mistakes, the stage had been set for a cascade of defamatory reactions that followed and spread like wildfire. This was fueled by misquotes and distortion of events in mainstream headlines, blogs, and social media, leading ultimately to Stallman's resignation from his positions at MIT and the FSF.
ずれたんで直したよ 0388login:Penguin2021/04/13(火) 21:41:08.10ID:quEIfoRV The board of the Free Software Foundation (FSF) have issued a statement regarding the election of Richard Stallman:
すでに公的な立場で意見表明した開発者は複数人いるからな 本来なら、それは越権行為に当たると思うぞ 0412login:Penguin2021/04/19(月) 01:38:44.80ID:b6brF/TS Choice 7: Debian will not issue a public statement on this issue
The Debian Project will not issue a public statement on whether Richard Stallman should be removed from leadership positions or not.
Any individual (including Debian members) wishing to (co-)sign any of the open letters on this subject is invited to do this in a personal capacity.
実際の文書はこうなってる。 「何も公的な意見表明をしない」というのは個人でも同じこと。 in a personal capacityでのみ許されることになった。 0413login:Penguin2021/04/19(月) 02:12:58.28ID:HX4SLlXK RMSが志賀を擁護してくれることはないのによくやるよw 0414login:Penguin2021/04/19(月) 09:10:42.10ID:eOb5V0eT>>412 英語理解してないだろ 0415login:Penguin2021/04/19(月) 09:25:11.07ID:b6brF/TS>>414 この議論は踏み込んだ解釈が必要だな 表面的な理解ではだめだな。そのうちメーリングリストで再燃するかもしれんな
コンプライアンスに則るならそうならざるを得ないだろ? 0416login:Penguin2021/04/19(月) 10:19:03.36ID:pfQe0j4n そういうことをすると それ自体が声明の代わりになってしまうから駄目だろ 0417login:Penguin2021/04/19(月) 10:47:50.04ID:ZJQvXZxb>>415 中立を装ったお前の妄想はいらないので 0418login:Penguin2021/04/19(月) 11:30:28.10ID:b6brF/TS >>But in others, like >>the RMS GR, it seems like it would be a rather bad property and we'd >>be better off treating it as FD and trying again later. > >For info, we use cloneproof Schwartz sequential dropping to resolve >these ties. The simple version is that we work out the cycle, and then >drop the lowest margin, in this case the 1, so "Debian will not issue a >pubilc statement" would still win.
Since at that time option 1 is no longer in the Schwartz set, and so that defeat is no longer relevant.
出典 平凡社世界大百科事典 第2版 0421login:Penguin2021/04/19(月) 13:36:34.87ID:b6brF/TS > The winning option "Debian will not issue a public statement on this > issue" implies that the majority of DDs is not interested in such > non-technical affairs. Such a working group will distract us from > achieving technical excellence.
Most of the non DPL-electing GRs are at risk of tearing Debian Project apart. And IMO this is the least dangerous option. It's not because we are not interested in non-technical affairs.
"GCC will continue to be developed, distributed, and licensed under the GNU General Public License v3.0" gcc.gnu.org/pipermail/gcc/2021-June/236209.html 0447login:Penguin2021/06/02(水) 20:58:04.36ID:l3ZQ5v/A>>446 「かつてのGNUのリーダーだったリチャード・ストールマン(Richard Stallman)を めぐるここ1,2年の騒動がオープンソースの世界におけるFSF離れを加速したことは 疑いなく,」