Most people have absolutely no clue about anything regarding 'eastern european wrestling' yet constantly spout off about it as a counter balance to American wrestling or to bolster their argument for the usefulness or superiority of jacket wrestling/grappling.
First of all, almost every high level freestyle wrestler in Russia, and in many ex-Soviet countries, are ethnic minorities, the vast majority being Muslims (with some Christians and a sprinkling of Jews) from the Caucasus mountain ranges. The other hot spots for freestyle wrestling are Yakutia, Buryatia, and Tuva which are 'Asian' parts of Russia. These areas are different from each other and so dramatically different from what Westerners think of when they think of Russia it would shock them to go there. These places have their own ethnic groups, languages, and cultural traditions including folk wrestling that have very very little connection to Moscow or St. Petersburg.
These wrestlers are not cold steely Fedor types who never smile and don't dance. They are known for being hot blooded and colorful if anything. Don't think of Fedor or Rocky IV when you think of 'Russian wrestling' because that simply isn't the case. There used to be far more ethnic Russian or slavic participation in wrestling before the fall of the Soviet Union. I'm not entirely sure why a guy like Belaglozov (an ethnic Russian) is a rarity now on the freestyle team.
Greco-Roman has more actual 'Eastern Europeans' or slavs but is still largely dominated in Russia by people from the Caucasus and 'Asian' parts of Russia. You see much more success from more 'European' countries like Hungary and Norway in Greco-Roman than you do in Freestyle. 0138アスリート名無しさん2014/12/08(月) 18:58:04.79ID:bFWpc2So In general, freestyle wrestling in ex-Soviet bloc countries is the domain of these Caucasians and 'Central Asians' who often wrestle for other countries like Ukraine, Turkey, even Spain or France. Greco-Roman seems to have much higher participation of what the west seems to think of when they think of European.
Judo in Russia is also primarily dominated by Caucasian peoples but there is a strong ethnic Slav minority and it also has much higher 'hobbyist' or recreational players and is more popular in places like Moscow or St. Petersburg among ethnic Russians. Overall, though, European nations have much more success in Judo than in Freestyle Wrestling.
I am not some race-obsessed weirdo and the reason I bring all of this up is that the ex-Soviet countries cover an enormous span of the globe and contain many many different ethnicities, languages, religions, and sport traditions. It is simplistic to say that all eastern european or soviet wrestlers cross train with the jacket or to even put them in the same schools of training or thought. People like to stereotype 'Russians' in combat sports when there is a lot of diversity and most of the participants aren't even what you think of as 'Russian'.
If you are familiar with these regions you can tell where someone is from by their names or even strange things like their shaving habits or the clothes they wear.
The Russian wrestling system is pretty decentralized, each region and thus ethnic group typically has their own 'olympic training center' and their own styles and quirks. 0139アスリート名無しさん2014/12/08(月) 18:59:50.96ID:bFWpc2So Fedor with his Russian Orthodox cross Viktor Lebedev, representing Russia and the Sakha Republic (Yakutia) Georgy Ketoev, an ethnic Georgian who wrestled for Russia Reigning world Champion at 97 kg, representing Dagestan, Abdulsalam Gadisov One of the greatest wrestlers of all time, Artur Taymazov, an Ossetian who wrestles for Uzbekistan Aleksandr Bogomoev, Outstanding Wrestler at 2014 Russian Nationals, an ethnic Buryat 0140アスリート名無しさん2014/12/08(月) 19:00:20.04ID:bFWpc2So SFCFighter
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Quote: Originally Posted by HOLA View Post It's pretty fascinating. Take just the last 2 years.
2014 World Championships had 8 weight classes.
61KG Azerbaijan 65KG North Ossetia 70KG North Ossetia 74KG Georgian wrestling for Russia 86KG Dagestan 97KG Dagestan 125KG think he's from a little too far away in Turkey to be consider from the Caucasus, but close.
2013 had 7 weight classes. 55 KG Tehran is just outside the Caucasus 60 KG Dagestan 65 KG Armenia 84 KG North Ossetian wrestling for Ukraine 96 KG just outside region in Iran 120 KG North Ossetia 0141アスリート名無しさん2014/12/08(月) 19:00:59.98ID:bFWpc2So The only 2 totally away from the region were Jordan Burroughs from the U.S. In 2013, and Yang, from North Korea in 2014.
Clearly doing something right over there. Tsargush is from Abkhazia and feels strongly about his homeland. He has made some very political statements saying he wishes the flag of Abkhazia was on his uniform instead of the Russian flag. I would guess he identifies more with Russia than Georgia. I believe he is Muslim but I am not sure.
Some Caucasian people are pretty nonpolitical or actually proud of their Russian culture or aspect, but many, I would say the majority hate Russia and dislike ethnic Russians and would tell you they are not Russian.
I think Iran and Turkey probably have pretty distinct wrestling cultures that aren't that closely related to the Caucasus region, but it probably isn't a coincidence that so many good wrestlers are from this small region that can include parts of Iran and Turkey.
Chechen is part of the russian republic, so their nation is Russia . Actualy most of the russian wrestlers are from Caucasian area and not ethnical russians. Also Chechen people are not turkish people nor half turkish people, which wouldn`t be a criteria for nationality anyway. These two wrestlers compete for Turkey now, because they got paid much better and not because they feel like beeing turkish. Of course Turkey is not the only country who is following this policy to buy athletes, but the annoying part in my opinion is the name changing to fool everybody.
Personally I think Turkey has got enough potential to be successful with their own athletes (see Akgul and Gor) and thats why I am critisizing these things. 0143アスリート名無しさん2015/01/26(月) 20:07:27.13ID:+rjjPmhx MHSN
oh come on, I know Shamil Akhmedov for years. both guys just changed citizenship months ago because they could not make to Russia team.
don't get me wrong, it looks like Turkey is back again in freestyle, (after some bad years) your own wrestlers are also very good. but to me it's shameful such a traditional powerhouse also buys Russian wrestlers.
Turkey is not alone here, almost the whole Belarus team is from Russia ! Kazakhstan also got a new Russian wrestler Artas Sanaa
I wonder how many Russian wrestlers are competing for other countries ! I know another one, Gagloev for Slovakia. even though he is not anything special. I think there are at least 20-30 Russian wrestlers competing for other countries. from Turkey and Kazkhastan to even Qatar and Slovakia ! 0144アスリート名無しさん2015/02/13(金) 16:01:26.47ID:8laYZ/Oihttp://www.insidethegames.biz/polls/71-which-sport-do-you-think-the-ioc-should-vote-to-include-on-the-olympic-programme-for-20200145アスリート名無しさん2015/02/18(水) 22:55:19.78ID:C5RC7Dij 横浜のマッキンリーこと大丸山 厳冬期・単独・無酸素登頂 http://hollyshit.web.fc2.com/mtN11B.html0146アスリート名無しさん2015/02/20(金) 16:06:29.79ID:uh0QegBj 20年東京五輪へ、男女レスラー180人が大集結! レスリング日本代表が19日、都内で男女合同合宿を公開した。 3月の女子W杯(ロシア)代表から20年ターゲット選手の高校生まで、過去最多の180人が一緒に汗を流した。 多くの世界女王を育てた栄和人強化委員長(54)は、男子の強化にも本格的に乗り出すことを宣言。 16年リオデジャネイロ五輪の金メダル6個、20年東京の同10個の獲得を目指してスタートを切った。 東京・北区のナショナルトレセン、マット6面の巨大なレスリング場は人いきれでむせかえった。 女子日本代表に男子のフリー、グレコローマン両スタイル日本代表の合同練習は、日程が重なった昨年5月以来。 学生、高校選抜まで加わるのは初めてだ。コーチ陣を合わせると、マットの上には200人を超す男女。 レスリング史上最大の合同練習は約2時間半続いた。 昨年4月に女子専任から男女を統合した強化委員長に就いた栄氏は、あえて1年間、男子の現場に口を出さなかったという。 「ここまで見て、男子は練習が甘い。もっと女子の厳しさを学んでほしい」と合同練習を企画。 女子合宿最終日で男子初日のこの日、メディアに公開してトレーニングの活性化を狙った。 男子74キロ級世界2位のエース高谷は「女子はレベルが高いし、雰囲気もよくて刺激になる」と2時間半も動き回る「ノンストップトレ」に驚いた。 同66キロ級で高校4冠に輝いたホープ藤波も「注目度も女子は男子と比べものにならない」。 リオで五輪4連覇を狙う女子53キロ級の吉田は「男子の練習は参考になる、見られることで頑張れる」と話した。 全体練習前には栄委員長が「リオと東京へ、ここがスタート」とあいさつ。 日本オリンピック委員会(JOC)リオ対策プロジェクト長でもある高田裕司専務理事も、JOCを代表して激励した。 栄委員長は、リオ五輪の目標を「女子は金4でメダル6個、男子は各スタイルで金1メダル3個」とぶち上げた。 これまでは別々に練習してきたが、今後は「男女共闘」で金メダルを目指す。
無料です。oopp@live.jp 0201アスリート名無しさん2016/08/19(金) 08:33:20.34ID:VHHAyYFN 土性らに「勝てたはずだ」「私は銀メダルを祝福しない」ロシア連盟会長 http://www.iza.ne.jp/kiji/sports/news/160818/spo16081823160124-n1.html0202アスリート名無しさん2016/08/19(金) 22:24:18.43ID:p7JpO4g7 レスリング吉田沙保里がリオ五輪決勝の涙を振り返る http://logmi.jp/1574500203アスリート名無しさん2016/08/20(土) 19:02:19.52ID:yw98QBVu Inna Trazhukova was defeated in the bronze medal match of the 63 kg freestyle wrestling competition at the 2016 Olympics by Poland’s Monika Michalik. The 25-year-old Russian claims that after her loss on Thursday, the head of her country’s wrestling program punched her in the face twice.
Russian female wrestler Inna Trazhukova says the federation president Mikhail Mamiashvili punched her in the face twice for losing Bronze.
? Artur Petrosyan (@arturpetrosyan) August 19, 2016
Mikhail Mamiashvili is a 52-year-old former Olympic gold medalist in Greco-Roman wrestling and is now the chairman of the Wrestling Federation of Russia. He does not deny punching Trazhukova and has actually blamed her for the action.
Mamiashvili didn't even deny it. He says she was responsible for the result, but didn't try enough. Trazhukova is going to take him to court
? Artur Petrosyan (@arturpetrosyan) August 19, 2016
A Russian newspaper has an account of the incident and though a direct translation is difficult, this is the best we’ve found (we added an edit or two):
“He spoke roughly, rude and hit me twice in the face. All this happened in front of witnesses,” she said.
She said she planned to inform the prosecutor’s office about the incident and Russian Sports Minister, Vitaly Mutko.
“I’m not a slave because of a lost battle with me to do so I was humiliated in public. I want to stop it, so that later athletes do not suffer from it!” she said.
Again, it’s a rough translation but I’m pretty sure we all get the gist of what happened. It’s sickening and we hope that Russia does something about this.