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1名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2015/06/11(木) 13:00:17.63ID:qhKQ3mDS
千葉移転記念にスレ立てました

ホームストリンガースレだと、語りにくいこともあるかと思いますので、
こちらで思う存分語ってください

イグナスユーザー
イグナス欲しい人
イグナスで痛い目にあった人
etc

イグナスについてなんでも語り合いましょう
138名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2016/11/21(月) 10:07:10.23ID:YxwcOkAH
129です。

取り合えず、1本張ってみました。

テンションが低くなる理由が分かりました。残念ですが、故障でした。

ドラムのモーターが、カバーの中で動いてしまうんです。最初のうちは、動きも小さく、気づかなかったのですが、張り終わる頃には、カバーが圧力で割れました。

スイッチ類は使ってみると、直ぐに分かりました。
2016/11/21(月) 10:59:23.93ID:wg1VWNJo
>>137
EAGNASユーザーは電動使い少ないね。

>>138
そっかー
割れちゃったらしょうがない(´・_・`)
多分ユニット送れば修理というか交換は出来るだろうけど、高くついちゃうかもね。

電動ユニットの代わりに分銅とか付かないのかなぁ
まぁ部品調達が問題だけど。
140名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2016/12/10(土) 06:59:01.06ID:NiIUfWts
ヤフオク見てると買った値段より高く落札されてて笑う。
141名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2016/12/10(土) 10:34:18.48ID:IOtHExgH
ワロスw

まぁ逆に使用済み中古品の方がちゃんと動いたという実績が付くからな。

でもル○シーさんのサポートは悪くなかったぞ
142名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2016/12/10(土) 14:23:32.40ID:Hui0D6qY
電動ユニットの不良品は一定量溜まったら、おっちゃんが手持ちで台湾に持って行き、以前持って行ってた修理済み分を手持ちで持ち帰るというやり方みたいだね。
143名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/01(日) 10:25:35.28ID:G9lEQlGI
2016年イグナス購入した人いる?
144名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/01(日) 12:27:26.50ID:yDIUuy6s
>>143
はい
145名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/01(日) 14:27:35.71ID:PG8fXt/B
新年からホームストリンガーデビューしたいんですが、バドミントンの分銅式でオススメなのは、smart707ですかね?
146名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/05(木) 00:03:15.95ID:XqEWBBvo
>>145
バドだけに使うのは大分昔のスレから見てもあんまりやってる人居ないけど
逆にEAGNASでバド使えなかったというレスも見たことない。

メールなりしてクランプが付いてくるのと在庫確認したらSmart707で大丈夫と思う。
Smartじゃなくてもスプリングアシストの分銅でバド対応なら大丈夫じゃね?
147名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/06(金) 23:15:18.35ID:L1A663It
>>145
XP45-2使ってるけど、問題なくバドも張れるよ
ただ6点式が結構邪魔だし、分銅のガットチャックの重さがテニス以上に影響するだろうから電動の、Hawk126eあたりがベストなんではないかな
148名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/07(土) 00:03:41.22ID:pQjixsOU
>>145
XP45-2使ってるけど、問題なくバドも張れるよ
ただ6点式が結構邪魔だし、分銅のガットチャックの重さがテニス以上に影響するだろうから電動の、Hawk126eあたりがベストなんではないかな
2017/01/09(月) 14:03:27.18ID:enBgUAm4
eagnas電話してもかからんし、メールも帰ってこない……
150名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/09(月) 19:02:29.86ID:VD++uT43
購入を考えているんですが、イグナスのサイトに書いてある値段は税込ですか?

また、注文のメールの時なんて書けば良いですか。
151名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/10(火) 02:23:58.17ID:tN0M/hFk
>>150

149です。
まずメールが返ってきません。

自分は、欲しいストリングマシンを記載と、見積もりして〜みたいな内容を送りました。
152元テニスショップ店長
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2017/01/10(火) 06:46:36.52ID:ul4m8taF
イグナスやめとき!
良く壊れるし」、ストリングをしっかりつかまなくて滑る=正確に張れない

修理出したら1年から2年かかる

http://www.tennis-japan.co.jp/category/297.html

   ↑で購入推奨します

テニス用ゴーセン手動式、ラインナップから消えてるな〜
ゴーセンも大変だわ〜色々と
153名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/10(火) 07:34:09.90ID:T9XdFM9S
>>152
イグナスというより個人の問題!
パーツクリーナー(ホームセンターで数百円で売ってる)で拭けば滑らない。
修理で1〜2年は電動ね。
分銅の不具合があるパーツパーツすぐ送ってくるぞ。
2017/01/10(火) 08:54:36.48ID:5BYQl5Cd
Today is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ポンコツ・トンチキ・ガラクタ・クズ・ゴミ・カス・最低以下の下劣・下等種族。 劣等種族・下衆野郎・腐れ外道・邪道・外道・非道・ウジ虫・害虫・ガン細胞。 ウィルス・ばい菌・疫病神・病原体・汚染源・公害・ダイオキシン・有毒物質。 廃棄物・発癌物
155名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/10(火) 12:28:22.89ID:xrShgZ6a
>>151
EAGNAS連絡つかないかー

唯一の難点がそれなんだよね。
手入れはDIYで自分でやるから安くていいっていうとEAGNAS一択だが
買えないっつーのはいかんともしがたい。
156名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/10(火) 18:39:52.86ID:RDdlQdZA
>>155

返信来て電話をすることもできて、よっしゃって思ってたら、すぐに連絡出来なくなった。。泣きたくなりますw
157名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/11(水) 02:13:56.65ID:Mao+9Y1+
一回は連絡ついたなら大丈夫じゃね?

最悪なのは廃業してるのだけどルーシ●さんが生きてるなら連絡くるよ。

てか台湾の正月休みとかか?
帰省中かなぁ
158名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/11(水) 12:39:54.20ID:w9kl1dpk
>>157
早く欲しい……w
159名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/11(水) 12:51:32.60ID:w9kl1dpk
振込先ロミオ音響楽器なんだが……大丈夫か?w
160名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/11(水) 13:58:59.36ID:Pbu+fp8D
>>158
旧正月終わってからだな

電動式修理に1年半かかった俺が言う!
161名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/11(水) 15:35:02.03ID:w9kl1dpk
振込み先は大丈夫か!?
162名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/11(水) 15:35:54.59ID:w9kl1dpk
>>160
163名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/11(水) 15:48:17.35ID:Ru1uxUP+
ロミオ音響楽器株式会社で登記してるから問題ありません。領収書兼保証書の名前もそれになっている。昔は音響関係が本業だったんだろう。
2017/01/11(水) 17:58:08.65ID:R7GJLeK2
oday is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ポンコツ・トンチキ・ガラクタ・クズ・ゴミ・カス・最低以下の下劣・下等種族。 劣等種族・下衆野郎・腐れ外道・邪道・外道・非道・ウジ虫・害虫・ガン細胞。 ウィルス・ばい菌・疫病神・病原体・汚染源・公害・ダイオキシン・有毒物質。 廃棄物・発癌物
2017/01/11(水) 17:58:20.10ID:R7GJLeK2
oday is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ポンコツ・トンチキ・ガラクタ・クズ・ゴミ・カス・最低以下の下劣・下等種族。 劣等種族・下衆野郎・腐れ外道・邪道・外道・非道・ウジ虫・害虫・ガン細胞。 ウィルス・ばい菌・疫病神・病原体・汚染源・公害・ダイオキシン・有毒物質。 廃棄物・発癌物
166名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/11(水) 21:08:55.86ID:w9kl1dpk
入金まで行けました
ちなみにflex740を買いました!

るー〇ぃさん?に感謝!!w
167名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/12(木) 06:56:59.28ID:LRXSufjo
>>166
イグナスの世界にようこそ。
スターティングクランプはまだ在庫なしだったかな?それならヤフオクでプロズプロのが3千円ぐらいで出てるからそれで全く問題なし。
セッティングオフオールはあれば便利だが、無くても問題はないレベル。
上でも書いたけど、最近のストリングはシリコンコーティングしてるのが増えて来てるので、ホームセンターで買えるパーツクリーナーで時々ふいてやらないとグリッパーやクランプが滑るので必須アイテム。
168名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/12(木) 08:05:15.94ID:/QLRctEB
>>167


なるほど。。。
まず、部品名が分からなくて……w
でも、ありがとうございます!!
2017/01/12(木) 09:58:52.71ID:S+QKTAkA
おぉ買えたのか、オメ。

入金先連絡きてお金入れたらまず大丈夫だな。
てかスプリングアシストのじゃなくていいの?

Combo710やchallengeとかなら値段そんなに変わんなくてバドも対応してるっぽいけど。
170名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/12(木) 11:00:32.72ID:/QLRctEB
>>169
スプリングアシスト……?
2017/01/12(木) 12:41:09.69ID:syo+V04O
クランプベースがネジで回して止めるのじゃなくてレバーで固定するタイプ。

Flex740とかはレバーを回してネジで固定。
悪いことは言わない、急いで変更の電話しる!
172名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/12(木) 13:04:04.69ID:/QLRctEB
>>171

今からメールはしてみる、出来なかったらチ───(´-ω-`)───ンってことで
173名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/12(木) 13:06:39.83ID:/QLRctEB
>>171
ありがとうokされた
174名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/12(木) 13:16:15.84ID:/QLRctEB
challenger 1.2どっちもスプリングアシスト付きっぽいな

comboかえるだけの金がもうなかったからchallengerにした
175名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/12(木) 13:55:13.17ID:Nua5m67A
oday is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ポンコツ・トンチキ・ガラクタ・クズ・ゴミ・カス・最低以下の下劣・下等種族。 劣等種族・下衆野郎・腐れ外道・邪道・外道・非道・ウジ虫・害虫・ガン細胞。 ウィルス・ばい菌・疫病神・病原体・汚染源・公害・ダイオキシン・有毒物質。 廃棄物・発癌物
176名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/12(木) 13:55:33.16ID:Nua5m67A
oday is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ポンコツ・トンチキ・ガラクタ・クズ・ゴミ・カス・最低以下の下劣・下等種族。 劣等種族・下衆野郎・腐れ外道・邪道・外道・非道・ウジ虫・害虫・ガン細胞。 ウィルス・ばい菌・疫病神・病原体・汚染源・公害・ダイオキシン・有毒物質。 廃棄物・発癌物
177名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/12(木) 14:22:17.85ID:IklNZV6X
>>174
チャレンジャーで充分!
2017/01/12(木) 15:00:00.00ID:syo+V04O
おぉ間に合ったようで何より。
もしもの時は通販は配達されて受け取り拒否という手もある。
業者に依ってだけど片道分の配送料で済むし。

challengeで十分問題ないよ。
179名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/12(木) 15:31:46.37ID:/QLRctEB
ありがとう

でも、今外にいるからっていわれてて。。

メールでも、在庫一応問い合せてるんだけど
あとは返信が来ないよ……
180名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/12(木) 16:11:46.51ID:NK57fhD/
>>179
イグナスはそんなもの

相手のペースに合わさせられる
181名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/12(木) 20:04:29.66ID:c5k6EWoI
eagnasは、基本午後1時から4時くらいしか、電話できたことない。
182名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/13(金) 20:20:34.50ID:WSrReWpq
eagnasって、融通きくの?
183名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/13(金) 20:54:55.33ID:VEXCtGUZ
意外にきく
184名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/13(金) 21:17:43.40ID:t/UeRxck
eagnas最強……?w
185名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/13(金) 22:03:01.11ID:t/UeRxck
ちなみに最高どのへんまで、対応してくれるん?
186名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/13(金) 22:27:55.81ID:PBNvkx9V
暫くサイト見てなかったけど、plus6500は
中々よさげに見える。

http://www.eagnas.com/japan/plus6000.html

これかチャレンジャーにwise付けたら故障
しても元のヘッドに戻せばイグナスの電動
買うよりは安心して使えそう。
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Wise_2086_Electronic_Pro_Head_Tensioner/descpageWISE-WISETH.html
187名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/13(金) 22:54:14.04ID:t/UeRxck
何言ってるか分かんない。。

ガット張りで必要な単語少しおしえてもらえないですか??

スプリングアシストとかもよく分からなかったし。
188名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/13(金) 23:26:19.24ID:tnuLHns0
融通きくような?

実は電動のテンションヘッド修理が時間かかったので、代替機でイグナスのXP45IIを貸してくれて、修理完了後そのまま代替機くれた。
189名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/13(金) 23:28:20.82ID:t/UeRxck
代替機をくれた!?!?!?ww
190名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/13(金) 23:53:23.02ID:tnuLHns0
>>189
そのまま貰って2台持ちです。
191名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/14(土) 00:03:47.47ID:t3QVt8C2
羨ましい。
192名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/14(土) 00:06:00.15ID:IJwKzr7C
もともとflex722eです。子供が2人いて8年くらい週4、5ペースで使っててコンデンサーが焼け付いて壊れた。
修理に出したらルーシーさんが長期で帰らなくて、1年半分銅式で張ってた。
今は1人で週2ペースですが、気分で使い分けしてる。

個人的には電動はやっぱり楽。
スプリングアシストがないんで、改造しようかと思う。
193名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/14(土) 00:08:27.00ID:t3QVt8C2
あの人いっつも外いません??
なんか、電話すると毎回外いるんでって言われますw
194名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/14(土) 00:12:35.81ID:IJwKzr7C
台湾や中国にいること多い。

そう考えると修理のいらない分銅式かぁ
195名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/14(土) 00:19:03.18ID:t3QVt8C2
ってことは、、注文しても届かないとかある、、、?
196名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/14(土) 00:20:06.87ID:IJwKzr7C
>>195
在庫があるなら、対応は確か日本人のおっさんのはずだから。
197名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/14(土) 00:38:10.61ID:t3QVt8C2
メールと電話はない感じで……?
198名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/14(土) 00:54:00.39ID:IJwKzr7C
何度かメールする事をお勧め
199名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/14(土) 00:57:53.00ID:t3QVt8C2
あ、まぁ、金振り込むまで行けば安牌なのか
200名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/14(土) 05:34:36.30ID:IYdZZ/0O
>>192

ガンマかpro's'proかアプローチのクランプベースはどうでしょ?

見た感じはどれでもいけそうだけど、ガンマのはレールの下に穴が空いてないと引っかかる事がある、というのをtenniswarehouseの掲示板で見ましたが。
201名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/14(土) 07:23:20.27ID:CLOHa26l
>>187
調べる努力もしない奴は人に張ってもらえ!
202名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/14(土) 16:18:07.24ID:JrhzZJNX
いや、、調べたんです。。

でも、なかなか出てこない。。

スプリングアシストに至ってはすごい調べてなんとなく理解はしたつもです。
2017/01/15(日) 15:19:23.28ID:8Tu5cRqE
まぁ基本的にEAGNASは部活とかでガット張りとかしたことあって、サポート要らないからとにかく安く、っていうユーザー向けだからな。

ガット張り初めてで、すごい調べたっていう程度じゃなく、すっごい調べたくらいじゃないと。
ま最近EAGNASスレも過疎って寂しいからここの人は優しくレスくれるけど、甘えすぎるないように。

昔と違ってようつべにもガット張り動画とかストリングマシーンの紹介動画とかも沢山あるし、張り方の解説HPも沢山あるし。
204名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/15(日) 18:04:07.19ID:gPQZ1S/d
無料で張ってくれるとしても、イグナスのマシンで張られるなら辞退するわ
205名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/16(月) 17:31:43.53ID:CCoLK/wz
COMBO-710を購入し張ったのですが、クリッパー部からガットが外れることがあります。
過去スレに紙やすり2000番を挟んで対応している人がいますが、他に何か挟むもので良いものありますか?
又は他に良い解決方法ありませんか?

それと、張った後に気が付いたのですが、10箇所以上ガットがササクレの様になっています。
これもクッリパー部が悪いのでしょうか?
206名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/16(月) 17:46:10.31ID:kmA1GksY
>>205
他に書いてる人いたけど、アルコールやパーツクリーナーで脱脂すれば大丈夫じゃないの。
あとササクレはクランプで強く挟みすぎだからダイヤル回して調整すべし。
207名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/16(月) 17:47:55.95ID:UdhJ88pp
1位 ID:EotP1/Jg
http://hissi.org/read.php/tennis/20170116/RW90UDEvSmc.html
208名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/16(月) 20:05:22.93ID:ee020BrX
challengerに変えたやつです!

差額分のお金も今日振り込まれたはず……!

発送連絡がこないが……(´・_・`)
209名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/16(月) 20:37:42.19ID:y2hXvY8t
>>206
脱脂したら良くなりました
クランプを強く挟むと、何故ササクレが出来るんですか?
強く挟まないと抜けてしまうのですが。
それと、分銅式なのでダイヤルはありません。
210名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/16(月) 21:37:12.55ID:YA/9BJit
is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ポンコツ・トンチキ・ガラクタ・クズ・ゴミ・カス・最低以下の下劣・下等種族。 劣等種族・下衆野郎・腐れ外道・邪道・外道・非道・ウジ虫・害虫・ガン細胞。 ウィルス・ばい菌・疫病神・病原体・汚染源・公害・ダイオキシン・有毒物質。 廃棄物・発癌物
211名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/16(月) 21:51:51.89ID:D4FvGl/n
>>209
いやいや、クランプの横にダイヤルみたいに回せるネジが付いてるでしょ。それを回して緩すぎず強すぎずに調整して。本体からクランプを引っこ抜いた方が回し易いかな?
ガットの切れっ端を挟んで色々試してみて。
212名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/16(月) 21:52:57.75ID:D4FvGl/n
クランプも同じく脱脂もしてね。
213名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/16(月) 21:54:20.97ID:YA/9BJit
is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ポンコツ・トンチキ・ガラクタ・クズ・ゴミ・カス・最低以下の下劣・下等種族。 劣等種族・下衆野郎・腐れ外道・邪道・外道・非道・ウジ虫・害虫・ガン細胞。 ウィルス・ばい菌・疫病神・病原体・汚染源・公害・ダイオキシン・有毒物質。 廃棄物・発癌物
214名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/17(火) 01:10:55.37ID:qNbUDpdr
電動ってテンションの精度低い?
故障率も高い?
215名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/17(火) 08:22:45.21ID:g8F1JK6g
>>214
適度にテンションゲージでチェックすれば問題なし。

壊れるかどうかは、当たり外れはあるから、なんとも言えないな。

1年は保証あるから、ショップで張るコストと比べてどうか考えてみたら?
216名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/17(火) 08:40:37.81ID:jjKnD1pp
>>211
「クランプの横に付いているダイヤルみたいに回せるネジ」って六角ボルトの頭の部分ですか?
それってクランプ部分(黒い部分)をサイドから固定しているネジですよね?

http://www.eagnas.com/maxgen/griprach.html
217名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/17(火) 08:56:56.66ID:HFOingbh
>>216
それはクランプじゃなくてグリッパーね。
クランプってベースに2つ付いてるガット挟むやつのことなんだけと。
218名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/17(火) 08:58:34.09ID:HFOingbh
http://www.eagnas.com/japgen/pn1017.html
219名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/17(火) 09:07:46.12ID:HFOingbh
これで強く挟みすぎるとササクレる!
ガットによって太さが違うから、要調整!
ついでに知らないだろうから教えるが、
ラケットをサポートする時は決して強く締めないこと。逆に変形やフレームにキズが入るの原因になるので、触れる程度にすること。
と購入時ルーシーさんに言われた。
http://www.eagnas.com/maxgen1/c38ten.html
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2017/01/17(火) 12:33:32.21ID:jjKnD1pp
>>219
助かりました。
色々と有難うございました。
221名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/17(火) 18:39:56.22ID:QYzjNllA
>>220
どういたしまして。
ご精進して下さい。
222名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/17(火) 22:44:03.28ID:adOOrNyL
お金払って来ないのは連絡した方がいいんですか?
223名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/17(火) 22:55:19.96ID:g8F1JK6g
メールで発送予定日くらい確認したら?
224名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/18(水) 07:41:03.39ID:pVhqTbYL
>>222
来るとは思うけど、日本人じゃないから至れり尽くせりじゃないからね。
たまに忘れてることもあるし。
225名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/18(水) 10:40:40.99ID:BS9031Sp
>>222
した方が良いぞ

オッサンぼけてるから
226名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/18(水) 11:59:35.32ID:E/Buuaak
入金完了メール2日、発送催促1日、返ってこない

電話でない……(´・_・`)


がんばるわ
227名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/18(水) 12:58:48.63ID:E/Buuaak
電話できた!

今日発送しますとの事!
よっしゃぁ!ありがとう!
2017/01/19(木) 05:01:19.44ID:6Ifq4YlH
なんだろう、Amazonやらネット通販の対応がリアル店舗より良くなりすぎて
EAGNASにも同様のサービスを期待しちゃうのかな。

昔は素人お断りなメーカーだっけど、ま、あっちのホームストリンガースレはおかしな論争で荒れてるし
こっちも過疎ってるからいっか。

EAGNASが販売しなくなると格安で入手する経路なくなるしな。
229名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/19(木) 20:02:08.78ID:JWuaZP5V
平行に止まんないのはどーすれば……?
230名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/19(木) 20:15:10.09ID:KvDG0w+S
プリンスか?
231名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/20(金) 00:02:03.41ID:CXn9n6r6
電動一式でいくらぐらい?
232名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/20(金) 15:40:00.10ID:lsjqTI6L
>>229
過去レスからの伝統で腰で押さえる。

マジレスすると稀にものによってはターンテーブルの所にネジ穴が開いてるものがあるので適当にホームセンターでネジ買ってきて止める。
それが無いならプリンスならブーメランツールを使う。

>>231
流石にお前は甘えんな
2017/01/20(金) 20:00:53.76ID:kpzGXN9x
AmazonUSを見てるとガンマのストリングマシーンが3万もしないくらいで買えそうだけど、性能はイグナスのほうが全然いいとかなのかな?
2017/01/20(金) 22:00:27.41ID:lsjqTI6L
>>233
ガンマはストリングでトアルソンとも提携してる一流メーカー。

予算に余裕があればAmazonのガンマの方がいいが、送料が高くついて67万くらいになんじゃねーかなー

ホームストリンガースレで以前買った人とかいたはず。
2017/01/21(土) 03:22:26.20ID:4WhkHHzA
え!今本体は179ドル=2万円くらいだけど、送料がかなり高いの?
236名無しさん@エースをねらえ!
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2017/01/21(土) 07:26:39.24ID:s0h1Y8Uf
>>235
179ドルは2点式フライングクランプ
6点式固定クランプは450ドルくらいだよ
2017/01/21(土) 09:44:26.73ID:5+unuxUM
2点式はダメなんですか?
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